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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2026 2:46 pm 
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
I test on a machine that has 4 drives and many people will have at least two drives and an external, so it is good for that.

THEN - I put it on my DAW machine with 10 drives or laptop with only one, and the image looks like it is reflecting from a coney Island mirror - It either becomes skinny or pudgy. I can see how I can manipulate everything else but not having any joy with the padding.


If you are doing it right, it doesn't matter how many drives you have (and by the way, if you enable the "Show all drive letters..." setting in the Disk Meter Settings dialog, you can add as many as all 26 drives to the module to test it out if you want.

Anyway, perhaps a screenshot illustrating the problem will help (together with your tile and pad values for that bitmap) ?

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2026 12:17 am 
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winstep wrote:
And I was wrong, tried it did not go as well as I thought it would. Back to the "mode" idea for the other graphs.


Running the risk of looking like a ping pong ball, I decided to go the 3rd meter road after all...

So, you could use a Multi-Image graph like the one used for the CPU meter in the LeerSpace theme (image attached here) but possibly without the gaps, to make the "filled space" ring. The empty ring would be in the section bitmap itself.

Anyway, with a 3rd graph block the possible filenames for the % of used space bitmaps would be

WsDiskMultiUsed.png (multi-state bitmap)
WsDiskbUsed.png (bar graph)
WsDiskhUsed.png (histogram, but you really do not want to use an histogram for % used)
WsDiskGaugeUsed.png (needle of the gauge)
WsDiskGaugeShadowUsed.png (shadow of the needle of the gauge)

give the theme a WsDiskMultiUsed.png bitmap, set DiskShowMulti03H and DiskShowMulti03V to true (these entries do not exist yet in the latest beta, just to be clear), give it the proper coordinates and Bob's your uncle, you no longer need to use a drive icon.

And, of course, a ring that fills up is only one of many options, so use your imagination. Just make sure it has at least 10 different states, and the more the better (and 0% filled, i.e. a completely empty drive, does not display an image from the multi-state bitmap, only whatever is in the disk section bitmap as a "place holder" (the first frame of the multi-state image is for values >0). The multi-state bitmap is overlaid on top of this placeholder).

This said, I already delayed the official release of v25.12 so that it has now become v26.1 because of you two guys, so I will need you to test these changes for the next beta ASAP, and not "disappear" until it's too late like you tend to do, Picco! :P :D

Fail to give feedback and I have no option but to officially release the application "as is", so don't complain later. :D


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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2026 12:52 am 
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@Jorge

I am giving myself a hard time in this comment but I am doing it because I am looking at what might be best for everyone?
While everyone's ideas are valid and good I think this is one of those modules that will continue to improve over time?

I think what you have done so far is really great.
This said, it can release as it is and still be of a very high standard.
Everything you are trying is inspiring and appreciated, make no mistake about it.

I believe personally, having done similar things in unrelated projects of my own, that if something is forever being tweaked because of perfectionism, it sits in the R&D department and won't see the light of day.
While I certainly would love to change icons to my own if desired, and all the other things I have painfully asked for(sorry), I can live without them for a while as I figure along with your new multi ideas and restructuring ideas, if it is working which it is, you can then take your time and make changes and update gradually?

That is my take on it
You have done an amazing job and kudos to you. You also have time in updates and other BETAS to make changes IMHO. It is a really useful and informative module as is and I am sure it will become a great one with a lot of features you will add, but not overnight. Nothing amazing is rarely created overnight. :)

That all said and one, it is your baby and only you know when you can live with it.
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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2026 9:45 am 
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
I believe personally, having done similar things in unrelated projects of my own, that if something is forever being tweaked because of perfectionism, it sits in the R&D department and won't see the light of day.


Thanks for the kind words and the concern...

This said, no worries - I fully understand Rome was not built in a day, but if you can add most features from the get go that is a huge advantage - and a lot less work later on as afterwards you have to maintain backward compatibility, etc...

And since I already lost my December deadline, I might as well try and go the extra mile - but feedback from the people making the themes is crucial, as changes or additions are quicker and easier to implement while everything is still fresh in my mind and internal structures can be changed without concerns about backwards compatibility.

I'm probably going to try to make a tutorial disk meter theme based on the last image I showed (but without the final "Add Drive" section) and something else I was eyeing - especially because now the desktop meter might not show the actual icon - is allowing the skinner to provide an "activity led", like the big green dot you can see at the bottom right of the disk sections.

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2026 10:43 am 
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winstep wrote:



This said, no worries - I fully understand Rome was not built in a day, but if you can add most features from the get go that is a huge advantage - and a lot less work later on as afterwards you have to maintain backward compatibility, etc...


yes I get that. I figured you are aiming to get a container that won't change other than what is in it.
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And since I already lost my December deadline, I might as well try and go the extra mile - but feedback from the people making the themes is crucial, as changes or additions are quicker and easier to implement while everything is still fresh in my mind and internal structures can be changed without concerns about backwards compatibility.


Sure this is my point though. everyone I have seen make a comment has put forward good ideas and this is where and why I suggested taking notes about what will be great but is non-essential.

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I'm probably going to try to make a tutorial disk meter theme based on the last image I showed (but without the final "Add Drive" section) and something else I was eyeing - especially because now the desktop meter might not show the actual icon - is allowing the skinner to provide an "activity led", like the big green dot you can see at the bottom right of the disk sections.



Sure skinning an activity LED is fine as is being able to do our own disk and ring icon... but is it critical for functionality? I only say this because you already have ones that work, nothing more.
That is my only point. Sure I'd love both and all of the skinning bells and whistles, but I can wait.
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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2026 12:33 pm 
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Winstep Wrote :
"This said, I already delayed the official release of v25.12 so that it has now become v26.1 because of you two guys, so I will need you to test these changes for the next beta ASAP, and not "disappear" until it's too late like you tend to do, Picco! :P :D

Fail to give feedback and I have no option but to officially release the application "as is", so don't complain later. :D"

My answer:

You've got some nerve, species of pretentious!

You're blaming BassdudeNZ and me for your delay in releasing the new version in front of the entire community. That's not right of you.

You released the New FINAL betas (beta 4) of v25.12 on December 27, 2025, with the iStat theme in the gallery (.Wsd), so we had five days to test and understand this intergalactic mess.
The development process is yours to handle. If we want, we can test the final result and comment. Stop treating us with contempt.
BassdudeNZ told you: it is your baby, and only you know when you can live with it.
The responsibility lies solely with you, so don't throw stones at us.
Every time I return to a calm and respectful dialogue, you send vicious comments. That's unacceptable.
As for my disappearance, that's my business. As long as I'm not banned, I'll post as I please: I'm not at your beck and call.

No more pleasantries, maybe see you next time...
Picco14 or "Picco14," whichever you prefer, no problem... :D :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2026 5:25 pm 
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Picco14 wrote:
Every time I return to a calm and respectful dialogue, you send vicious comments. That's unacceptable.


Jesus H Christ, did you not see the smileys?! I'm willingly delaying for your benefit so you two can make nicer themes right from the start, NOT blaming you guys for it. If I wanted I would have released it anyway!

All I am asking in return is suggestions and feedback about bugs ASAP, so I delay as little as possible. Talk about deliberately misunderstanding things and taking offense lol!

Ah well, guess it's true what they say about no good deed going unpunished lol I'm only responsible for the things I say, not for how you choose to (mis)understand them.

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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Yes, I saw the smileys, but it's the content of the comment that bothered me slightly. A little more respect from you would be appreciated. Jesus Christ, we're not in Lisbon in front of the santuário de Cristo Rei.

And you didn't see my smileys either. :D :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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Are you running into the same right padding issues as BassDudeNZ?

Anyway, got to make the new disk meter tutorial theme before I upload a new beta so you guys can have a feel for how it works.

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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WHOA !!


I will be as clear as I can be.

Where I align with both of you Jorge and Picco...

My issues are because as Picco said earlier, there are a LOT of different new things to try that do not respond like we have been used to doing things. I have huge respect for Picco14's work because we are different styles but we both like to experiment and this is not something we do slowly. We get different themes and ideas for that very reason. We like to experiment. This is not always a fast process. some things are easy because we can see how the information displays and can work out easily enough how to align them. Other things are like : "Well I wasn't expecting that".
It's not a problem it is familiarity, that is all. :)

I align with Jorge too in wishing it to be the best possible release he can muster and to make it more flexible so the possibilities are not limited and more open to imagination. I think this is also great. :)

The biggest issue we all have on any forum is words are easy but we cannot see each others expressions or faces, so misinterpretation is very easy. I seriously doubt there is any angst. Both of you Picco14 and Jorge do not have English as your primary language. Because it is my native language I can say honestly, it may be the worst language to contain the same words that have multiple meanings depending on context.

I took nothing personally, I only saw it as expression and read it with no mal-intent.

Love your work - both of you :)


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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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Ok, so I added a new "ShowLed" option to the desktop version of the disk meter. If enabled you can specify x,y coordinates as well as LED size.

You can optionally provide your own wsDiskLED.png bitmap to represent the led at its maximum brightness. If you do not, WorkShelf will use its own default green led version.

WorkShelf will also automatically create 3 different versions of the led based on the original image, two getting progressively darker (the led has 3 levels of brightness according to how intense disk activity is) and the third is a darker grayscaled version of the original led bitmap that is displayed to represent the LED off.

If you prefer customized versions, you can optionally provide the following bitmaps as well:

wsDiskLED75.png (less bright led)
wsDiskLED50.png (even less bright led)
wsDiskLED0.png (led off)

Currently none of the above versions are displayed if the user has chosen NOT to display drive activity (this is where you guys can influence what happens by stating your opinion, if you think it should display a static off version of the led or a static lit version instead).

If a LED is enabled but so is the drive icon, the icon in the desktop meter does not display drive activity via its led, i.e.; drive activity will be shown through the LED only.

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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Great Jorge.

Short questions, because I have done a fourth theme with disk drives (and theme icons in case):
1. Will it change much in layout and edits? - and -
2. Will skinners be able to replace the drive icons or it won't happen until next version?
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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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1. No, other than the text drive letter option for the desktop disk meter no longer automatically showing : after the drive letter (you have to add that as a suffix).

2. Should happen in this version but I am still working on it.

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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winstep wrote:
1. No, other than the text drive letter option for the desktop disk meter no longer automatically showing : after the drive letter (you have to add that as a suffix).

2. Should happen in this version but I am still working on it.


That's good. I will continue making as I am doing. As for the replaceable icon, I am sure you will get around to it. while it will certainly look more 'thematic' in some cases, it is only an aesthetic and not important next to the functionality. I will keep making drive icons and save them in the themes using the naming conventions you gave me - for when it happens i.e. :)


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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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winstep wrote:
Ok, so I added a new "ShowLed" option to the desktop version of the disk meter. If enabled you can specify x,y coordinates as well as LED size.

You can optionally provide your own wsDiskLED.png bitmap to represent the led at its maximum brightness. If you do not, WorkShelf will use its own default green led version.

WorkShelf will also automatically create 3 different versions of the led based on the original image, two getting progressively darker (the led has 3 levels of brightness according to how intense disk activity is) and the third is a darker grayscaled version of the original led bitmap that is displayed to represent the LED off.

If you prefer customized versions, you can optionally provide the following bitmaps as well:

wsDiskLED75.png (less bright led)
wsDiskLED50.png (even less bright led)
wsDiskLED0.png (led off)

Currently none of the above versions are displayed if the user has chosen NOT to display drive activity (this is where you guys can influence what happens by stating your opinion, if you think it should display a static off version of the led or a static lit version instead).

If a LED is enabled but so is the drive icon, the icon in the desktop meter does not display drive activity via its led, i.e.; drive activity will be shown through the LED only.

This is a good idea. Great actually because it allows for the illusion of animation.
That said Jorge, I am not convinced with the 'either/or' idea. if you consider per se with say the Network, I pushed it in a theme I did "Pastel" where I got nearly everything working at once - histogram, graph, meter and multi. The workaround was to use some of your defaults because it didn't like everything in bitmaps. (probably me, the skinning creator :) )

So my point is I am not sure disabling one to make room for another is ever a good idea unless one stops the other from working. So if displaying the disk with a circle for the LED when the LED does not work if displaying disk activity is set to drive, does drive activity prevent LED activity?? I am only asking because like the network histogram,gauge, multi and graph... they can display together??

P.S> - I made a suggestion MUCH earlier and perhaps you dismissed it? This being that have one main icon for their drive of choice e,g, C:\ (whatever). Then have the others pop out as an option. I am not saying change what you have done. I realise it means probably having to create another container. This satisfies from a skinning perspective because the single drive container shouldn't be as dependent on padding and the pop-out will with what you already have - Alternatively - this is only if they select one drive, which could go in the STYLE part of the menu - Drive | Ring | Single disk > [then they select which disk they want displayed] - Sure the skinner will have to do the vertical horizontal and one extra container, but the extra container should be able to function like every other module? . I apologise for the workload involved because I know it is a shitload of work to even contemplate it in the coding.


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